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Barack Obama's church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas.!!
Rev. Wright gave it a new title, "A Fresh View of the PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi Struggle."
There is no doubt that by reprinting this Hamas manifesto on the church bulletin, Wright supports this terror group.
The article
1.defended terrorism as LEGITIMATE resistance,
2.refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist
3.compared the terror group's official charter - which calls for the murder of Jews - to America's Declaration of Independence!!
The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright . Google Obama's church, pastor's page, July 22, 2007)
Marzook, the author of this article, is a known terrorist and created an extensive Hamas network in the United States

Hamas is responsible for multiple acts of terrorist including suicide bombings and rocket launchings against civilian populations. It is listed as a terrorist group by the U.S.

Esraeli security officials have expressed concern about Robert Malley, AN ADVISER TO OBAMA, who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.

Barack Obama cannot just say "I didn't" know on this. And a "great speech" won't do either.
Obama is compromised on so many different levels that he simply cannot be trusted. His middle name should no longer be ignored. (well, didn't he say "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"? If you don't believe this, Google the statement. Didn't he say in Audacity of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims?")

Barack Hussein Abdul al-Majid al-Obama for President of The United States! LOL
Un-freakin'-believable!!!

Go to:
http://tucc.org/upload/tuccbulletin_july22.pdf
Scroll down to page 10
__________________
As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

Barack Obama's church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas.!!
Rev. Wright gave it a new title, "A Fresh View of the PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi Struggle."
There is no doubt that by reprinting this Hamas manifesto on the church bulletin, Wright supports this terror group.
The article
1.defended terrorism as LEGITIMATE resistance,
2.refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist
3.compared the terror group's official charter - which calls for the murder of Jews - to America's Declaration of Independence!!
The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright . Google Obama's church, pastor's page, July 22, 2007)
Marzook, the author of this article, is a known terrorist and created an extensive Hamas network in the United States

Hamas is responsible for multiple acts of terrorist including suicide bombings and rocket launchings against civilian populations. It is listed as a terrorist group by the U.S.

Esraeli security officials have expressed concern about Robert Malley, AN ADVISER TO OBAMA, who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.

Barack Obama cannot just say "I didn't" know on this. And a "great speech" won't do either.
Obama is compromised on so many different levels that he simply cannot be trusted. His middle name should no longer be ignored. (well, didn't he say "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"? If you don't believe this, Google the statement. Didn't he say in Audacity of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims?")

Barack Hussein Abdul al-Majid al-Obama for President of The United States! LOL
Un-freakin'-believable!!!

Go to:
http://tucc.org/upload/tuccbulletin_july22.pdf
Scroll down to page 10
__________________
As a culture, we lose our way when we abandon our Judeo-Christian heritage and foundation.

Never forget:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

Obama's connections to Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko, and Nadhmi Auchi pose some serious questions about his judgement. Unless he gives the go ahead to Michigan and Florida to hold new primaries,and of course he won't do that, he will be our nominee. If you don't agree with disenfranchising voters, please go to www.ipetitions.com/petition/votersunite and sign the petition. It only takes one minute to let the DNC know that we demand that our votes count.

BOOKISHEMILY....McCain stopped the original deal because as head of the Armed Services Committee he had to hold hearings on ok'ing the deal. His staffer's did the figures and realized the deal was a rip off of 6 Billion dollars of the goverment.
The Air Force and Boeing came up with the lease idea to avoid having to go through the bidding process. The AF agreed to lease the tankers for 6 or 8 years at a set price then buy them outright. When the numers were crunched, it would have cost us 6 Billion more to do that than to just buy them outright to start with.
The Gao(I think) started an investigation and found secret money under the table and bribes by Boeing of AF officals. The procurment officer, a woman was to get a big paying job with Boeing as soon as the deal was signed. She went to jail along with a Boeing offical. The head of Boeing had to resign and 2 high ranking AF officers were demoted and 1 was kicked out.
So McCain did, as he claims, save the goverment 6 Billion dollars on that deal.

Thats when McCain told the AF they had to do the contract as a *bid* contract as was the norm. He did allow Boeing to bid on the project even though they had used bribery and other illegal tactics in the first deal. Mainly because Boeing is our only large military grade manufacturer of airplanes. They lost the bidding to Airbus.
Airbus will assemble the planes in Mississippi and another state, creating thousands of direct jobs and thousands more at businesses that will supply the new Airbus plants. Airbus agreed to 60% of the work being done in the US.

Boeing claims Airbus will *outsource* a lot of the work. What Boeing is failing to mention is that even less of the work would have been done here in the US if they had won because they outsource far more than Airbus will.

CEFLYNLINE....look, get over your obcession with primary/caucus turnout. If you look at the last 24 years of primary history you see that the Democrats have almost always had a much larger turnout for their primaries, because except under Clinton in 1996 they have never had a popular incumbant running. There is no correlation between primary turnout and General election turnout, if their was, Gore, Kerryand Mondale would all have been President.
It means nothing. Yes the Democrats are excited this year(or were)and the Republicans have been down. But in November, the Rpublicans and all of the Independents will be out in force and it might be a very close election or since the Wright tapes came out and Obama talked about race but didn't explain why he has refused to disavow Wright himself and finally admitted that he had been present in church when Wright was giving a lot of these sermons(he has denied it at least 4 times prior) this could be a blowout for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

Thats the facts. Go to Realpolitics.com and check the daily tracking polls, Obama has dropped in all areas and McCain now beats him soundly in several states that are usually Blue.

CEFLYNLINE....look, get over your obcession with primary/caucus turnout. If you look at the last 24 years of primary history you see that the Democrats have almost always had a much larger turnout for their primaries, because except under Clinton in 1996 they have never had a popular incumbant running. There is no correlation between primary turnout and General election turnout, if their was, Gore, Kerryand Mondale would all have been President.
It means nothing. Yes the Democrats are excited this year(or were)and the Republicans have been down. But in November, the Rpublicans and all of the Independents will be out in force and it might be a very close election or since the Wright tapes came out and Obama talked about race but didn't explain why he has refused to disavow Wright himself and finally admitted that he had been present in church when Wright was giving a lot of these sermons(he has denied it at least 4 times prior) this could be a blowout for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

Thats the facts. Go to Realpolitics.com and check the daily tracking polls, Obama has dropped in all areas and McCain now beats him soundly in several states that are usually Blue.

CEFLYNLINE....look, get over your obcession with primary/caucus turnout. If you look at the last 24 years of primary history you see that the Democrats have almost always had a much larger turnout for their primaries, because except under Clinton in 1996 they have never had a popular incumbant running. There is no correlation between primary turnout and General election turnout, if their was, Gore, Kerryand Mondale would all have been President.
It means nothing. Yes the Democrats are excited this year(or were)and the Republicans have been down. But in November, the Rpublicans and all of the Independents will be out in force and it might be a very close election or since the Wright tapes came out and Obama talked about race but didn't explain why he has refused to disavow Wright himself and finally admitted that he had been present in church when Wright was giving a lot of these sermons(he has denied it at least 4 times prior) this could be a blowout for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

Thats the facts. Go to Realpolitics.com and check the daily tracking polls, Obama has dropped in all areas and McCain now beats him soundly in several states that are usually Blue.

CEFLYNLINE....look, get over your obcession with primary/caucus turnout. If you look at the last 24 years of primary history you see that the Democrats have almost always had a much larger turnout for their primaries, because except under Clinton in 1996 they have never had a popular incumbant running. There is no correlation between primary turnout and General election turnout, if their was, Gore, Kerryand Mondale would all have been President.
It means nothing. Yes the Democrats are excited this year(or were)and the Republicans have been down. But in November, the Rpublicans and all of the Independents will be out in force and it might be a very close election or since the Wright tapes came out and Obama talked about race but didn't explain why he has refused to disavow Wright himself and finally admitted that he had been present in church when Wright was giving a lot of these sermons(he has denied it at least 4 times prior) this could be a blowout for McCain if Obama is the nominee.

Thats the facts. Go to Realpolitics.com and check the daily tracking polls, Obama has dropped in all areas and McCain now beats him soundly in several states that are usually Blue.

Why would anyone on the GOP side turn up at the voting booths in places like Texas, as you mentioned above, when McCain already had the whole contest wrapped up? It's silly to bring up anything past Florida - when McCain gained the momentum that carried him to where he's at now. Huckabee was never a threat.

That said, there's no denying the general dissatisfaction among the conservative base with all the candidates, even back in Iowa. I think we need to look at George W. Bush and ask ourselves how he was elected for a second term. Many conservatives didn't care for him. They thought he was a mediocre president who wasn't very bright. Still, they voted for him over a real war hero, and I think that shows their willingness to look past their distaste for whoever's running and vote for them - if for no other reason than to stop the Democrats. Do you really think this won't happen in November? I've seen this happen before and, to be honest, I don't have a lot of faith in the American people to learn from their mistake.

Lastly, I have to say, I rarely pay attention to anyone pushing partisan politics. Is this really any different from the bs being pushed on us by organized religion? Are you advocating independent thought? It doesn't appear so.

virginia is only in play if obama is the nominee. I think mccain will be able to turn blue states to red more than any of obama or clinton turning red to blue.

Kansas will be an interesting case this year. Yes, it's unlikely to turn blue. But there are a series of factors that might make it a little purpler, and one of them is the lost Boeing tanker deal. It has made national news for a couple of days but has stayed on the front page of Kansas papers since the story broke. The Air Force changed the criteria for the bid at the insistence of John McCain, and if it turns out this was due to unethical dealings on his part--and even if it isn't--a handful of counties in south-central and southeast Kansas might lean blue. Of course Sebelius would help, though I doubt she'll be the nominee. And Obama was greeted here as a native son--Kansans are proud of their connection to him.

But it's the tanker deal that might make things interesting.

mahmud010:

Actually, my BIASES are obviously Democratic Party. My numbers are just numbers, and my conclusions are just from reading the numbers. When there is such a large discrepancy in voter turn out it mens something, and the only reasonable guess you can make is that it means Dems are voting about twice as often as republicans. How will that play in November? The usual guess is that people DO vote the same Primary to General election, unless they get disgusted and go away. That leaves guessing how the voters who aren't motivated enough to vote in the primaries vote.

Either large numbers of Republicans just don't care who their Party nominates, while almost all Democrats want their say, or the proportions ov voters in November will reflect the numbers in the Primaries.

Which brings us back to the conclusion that UNLESS the Republicans change an awful lot of minds, November will be a Democratic landslide.

So, just how will McCain change those minds. This morning it looks like the bear Stearns mess is driving a bear market. There isn't any countervailing good economic news. Iraq is still a mess. George's Foreign Policy is still apparently to aggravate the entire world. His domestic policy is still to do what the right most fifteen percent of the country wants. John wants change as long as none of the above changes.

You tell me what my unreasonable assumptions are.

Ceflynline, just to make it abundantly clear, I'm not a conservative. That much should be evident by my comments on CC's other posts. I do, however, appreciate the importance of questioning one's own pet assumptions and beliefs.

It seems clear to me that people who are into partisan politics don't really care a whole lot about looking deep into their biases and questioning their basic assumptions. When people on either side of the fence - liberal or conservative - resist looking at the weaknesses in their favorite candidate's campaign, it betrays this sort of ambivalence or even hostility towards examining their own principles and beliefs. This is the kind of thing that really makes me feel contempt for people like you in the political sphere and people like Obama's pastor in the religious sphere. Why should anyone listen to either of you if you can't even get past your own bs? While some of us, like myself, are more than busy trying to dissect the lunacy spewing from the mouths of our leaders, you're busy stumping for them. Again, why should anyone take you seriously?

It seems the Clintons are apparently involved in the disappearance of the CFO of the Clinton Library Builder. Very suspicious

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/Mar/14/clinton-library-builders-cfo-vanishes-leaving-ques/

I think the Barack--Hillary back and forth on this thread should be summarily deleted. Don't you people have better places to go with that?

Cilizza has good points about Virginia, but as an Obama Democrat in Virginia sadly I have to disagree a bit. Northern Virginia is going to go crazy for Obama, but he's not going to get any more African-Americans than another Democrat would. They all get 90% anyway. The problem is whites. I love my fellow Virginians, and I know that they did elect Wilder once, but flipping from red to blue AND voting for a black man is a tall order for the Old Dominion. Remember that Webb--a perfect Democrat for Virginia--only beat a real knucklehead like Allen very narrowly in a horrible year for the GOP.

Well, actually, I set up a data base in access, states, electoral votes, totals from 2004, that sort of thing, and put in the numbers from the Washington Post Reporting on each Primary. Since most are either Primary/Primary or Caucus/Caucus states, most are an easy comparison. Montana is hard because what got reported is (apparently) delegates earned, state, or something, because only some sixteen hundred votes show.
Iowa is hard to call because the Dems Caucused but the Reps had a straw poll.

one or two others have anomalous reports, but on the whole, based on participation in the Democratic contests compared to participation in the Republican contests, the Republicans are getting a shellacking to make AUH2O's rout look respectable by comparison. And remember, for republicans to crossover vote they have to ignore any Congressional, State, or local Republican contests they might have a stake in.

And John's "good press", like going to Iraq with Lieberman, is window dressing when it isn't out right farce. When he needs another major military escort to check out some local Potemkin village, it will blow up just like the last time.

Meanwhile after the U. S. Treasury propped up Bear Stearns, Morgan bought it at fire sale prices. Which Bizarre Securities firm will be next to go belly up, get Federal welfare, and end up owned by Morgan, Citigroup, or BancAmerica? Billions for Wall Street but not one cent for Health Care?

That isn't even going to play in Peoria. Good old Republican Peoria. Dirksen country.

~

Obama is not qualified to be president.

As a lifelong Democrat, I will vote for McCain before I vote for that man.

Of course, no one can say anything about him without being called racist.

But never mind that his 20-year pastor is ranting lunatic.

But he never heard any of that.

And he's a Harvard Law grad. Huh.

Face it people, you've been had by Barry Obama.

Just wait for the meltdown once he's the nominee.

~

Well....this thread started off well enough, and then...????

svreader, we get the point. You don't like Obama. Now shut up.

CEFLYENLINE....where do you get your info??? Daily Kos??? Because it's obvious your not based in a real world anywhere.

McCain has been front page almost everyday since cinching the nomination. He is getting so much positive coverage it's scary. Compare that to the headlines your two wonder kids are getting....totally negative, nut job Rev.'s and nut job former V.P. candidates, former slum lord, soon to be con friends and on and on.

Once again, there is no comparison or anything to see in a McCain Falwell connection. They agreed to speak nice to eachother, McCain gave his speech and hasn't seen Falwell since. But Obama the Messiah has been bosum buddies with Wright for over 20 years. He was married in his church by the Rev., the Rev. btized his kids, is his **spirtual** mentor, his inspiration(all Obama's words). Then to go on t.v. and say....**I have never heard him say those things in church or privately** ....I have never been in the church when he made those kinds of sermons**.....sorry, but almost no one, except the Obamabot's are believeing that. He made a statement last week basically saying he hardly talked to the Rev., but last year he told a different story in regards to a Rolling Stone interview....which time was he lying?? One of those 2 statements is a lie....which one?? This Wright thing is big and it will only get bigger once the w/e is over and the media realizes how far Obama dropped in the Rassmussion and Zogby daily tracking polls from Friday to Saturday. I think Clinton is behind this push about Wright and after trying to get the besotted media to pay attention for 3 months it's finally taking off. When you add this Wright stuff to what his wife has said about finally being proud of her country because people are voting for Obama and telling poor women on Ohio not to go to college because then you have to worry about repaying student loans on a paltry 961 thousand dollar a year income, then people start wondering just what Obama really does stand for. This is what comes of trying to run a race on platitudes and not solid positions

CEFLYENLINE....where do you get your info??? Daily Kos??? Because it's obvious your not based in a real world anywhere.

McCain has been front page almost everyday since cinching the nomination. He is getting so much positive coverage it's scary. Compare that to the headlines your two wonder kids are getting....totally negative, nut job Rev.'s and nut job former V.P. candidates, former slum lord, soon to be con friends and on and on.

Once again, there is no comparison or anything to see in a McCain Falwell connection. They agreed to speak nice to eachother, McCain gave his speech and hasn't seen Falwell since. But Obama the Messiah has been bosum buddies with Wright for over 20 years. He was married in his church by the Rev., the Rev. btized his kids, is his **spirtual** mentor, his inspiration(all Obama's words). Then to go on t.v. and say....**I have never heard him say those things in church or privately** ....I have never been in the church when he made those kinds of sermons**.....sorry, but almost no one, except the Obamabot's are believeing that. He made a statement last week basically saying he hardly talked to the Rev., but last year he told a different story in regards to a Rolling Stone interview....which time was he lying?? One of those 2 statements is a lie....which one?? This Wright thing is big and it will only get bigger once the w/e is over and the media realizes how far Obama dropped in the Rassmussion and Zogby daily tracking polls from Friday to Saturday. I think Clinton is behind this push about Wright and after trying to get the besotted media to pay attention for 3 months it's finally taking off. When you add this Wright stuff to what his wife has said about finally being proud of her country because people are voting for Obama and telling poor women on Ohio not to go to college because then you have to worry about repaying student loans on a paltry 961 thousand dollar a year income, then people start wondering just what Obama really does stand for. This is what comes of trying to run a race on platitudes and not solid positions.

CEFLYENLINE....where do you get your info??? Daily Kos??? Because it's obvious your not based in a real world anywhere.

McCain has been front page almost everyday since cinching the nomination. He is getting so much positive coverage it's scary. Compare that to the headlines your two wonder kids are getting....totally negative, nut job Rev.'s and nut job former V.P. candidates, former slum lord, soon to be con friends and on and on.

Once again, there is no comparison or anything to see in a McCain Falwell connection. They agreed to speak nice to eachother, McCain gave his speech and hasn't seen Falwell since. But Obama the Messiah has been bosum buddies with Wright for over 20 years. He was married in his church by the Rev., the Rev. btized his kids, is his **spirtual** mentor, his inspiration(all Obama's words). Then to go on t.v. and say....**I have never heard him say those things in church or privately** ....I have never been in the church when he made those kinds of sermons**.....sorry, but almost no one, except the Obamabot's are believeing that. He made a statement last week basically saying he hardly talked to the Rev., but last year he told a different story in regards to a Rolling Stone interview....which time was he lying?? One of those 2 statements is a lie....which one?? This Wright thing is big and it will only get bigger once the w/e is over and the media realizes how far Obama dropped in the Rassmussion and Zogby daily tracking polls from Friday to Saturday. I think Clinton is behind this push about Wright and after trying to get the besotted media to pay attention for 3 months it's finally taking off. When you add this Wright stuff to what his wife has said about finally being proud of her country because people are voting for Obama and telling poor women on Ohio not to go to college because then you have to worry about repaying student loans on a paltry 961 thousand dollar a year income, then people start wondering just what Obama really does stand for. This is what comes of trying to run a race on platitudes and not solid positions.

CEFLYENLINE....where do you get your info??? Daily Kos??? Because it's obvious your not based in a real world anywhere.

McCain has been front page almost everyday since cinching the nomination. He is getting so much positive coverage it's scary. Compare that to the headlines your two wonder kids are getting....totally negative, nut job Rev.'s and nut job former V.P. candidates, former slum lord, soon to be con friends and on and on.

Once again, there is no comparison or anything to see in a McCain Falwell connection. They agreed to speak nice to eachother, McCain gave his speech and hasn't seen Falwell since. But Obama the Messiah has been bosum buddies with Wright for over 20 years. He was married in his church by the Rev., the Rev. btized his kids, is his **spirtual** mentor, his inspiration(all Obama's words). Then to go on t.v. and say....**I have never heard him say those things in church or privately** ....I have never been in the church when he made those kinds of sermons**.....sorry, but almost no one, except the Obamabot's are believeing that. He made a statement last week basically saying he hardly talked to the Rev., but last year he told a different story in regards to a Rolling Stone interview....which time was he lying?? One of those 2 statements is a lie....which one?? This Wright thing is big and it will only get bigger once the w/e is over and the media realizes how far Obama dropped in the Rassmussion and Zogby daily tracking polls from Friday to Saturday. I think Clinton is behind this push about Wright and after trying to get the besotted media to pay attention for 3 months it's finally taking off. When you add this Wright stuff to what his wife has said about finally being proud of her country because people are voting for Obama and telling poor women on Ohio not to go to college because then you have to worry about repaying student loans on a paltry 961 thousand dollar a year income, then people start wondering just what Obama really does stand for. This is what comes of trying to run a race on platitudes and not solid positions.

AirNZ....McCain is 8 points down from Clinton in California and 11 points down from Obama in the latest Rassmussun polls yesterday. He most likely can't win, but for a Republican to be this close this far into an election year in California is unheard of. You my friend need to bone up on the daily tracking polls and then bone up on the candidates positions(oh wait, you can't for Obama because he dosen't have any). McCain has a good enviromental record, better than many so called Democratis enviromentalists, he is agianst pork barrel projects, has taken $0 of earmarks as a Senator(compared to Obama 789 million in only 3 years, and Clinto 2.6 million in 6 years), passed campaign finance reform, co wrote with Kennedy the most comprehensive immigration bill ever, and I could go on all night. You have the problem all dillitantte political pundits have, you have preconcieved notions of politicians without a clue as to who they really are. McCain is a conservative, but he has a very good moderate record, thats why Independents support him.
You need to spend some time going over the polls my friend. McCain is now ahead of both Democrats nationally and in Ohio(beats Obama badly), Pa., Michigan, Florida(beats Obama by 14 % there and Clinton by 8%), Mo.. In New Jersey he beats Obama, in Wisc. he beats both, in Colorado he beats both. This just shouldn't be. But it is and it's only going to get worse for the Democrats.

Arsonplus....I don't think Kansas is takable by the Democrats. And I am getting the distinct impression that Senator Claire McCaskell is going to be Obama's running mate if he wins. I just read a column last night giving out a unconfirmed hint at that. She would maybe bring him Mo. and she has bona fides among women, and white blue collar, groups he needs. Plus, she has been point person with the media for him a lot the last 2 weeks, so keep an eye on her.

No way that McCain will win California. The Terminator Gov's wife is backing Obama, so don't expect much real Republican support from Arnold. Can't see him going to the mat with the Kennedy's. Plus, Obama portends to be a better friend to California as President than McCain. Hillary won the Dem Establishment vote and Hispanics in the primary which will go for Obama in the General; Independents and many Arnold Republicans will continue to support Obama as well. McCain scares the Hell out of many people in the Sunshine state, with his "Bomb Iran/100 Years in Iraq" rhetoric, his admitted ignorance about the economy, and his flaming temper.
None of this is cool in California.
Obama will beat McCain by several points in California, maybe more depending on his VP.

North Carolina is another state that could swing Democrat if Obama heads the ticket, especially if the Dems there pick a strong candidate to run against the waning Elizabeth Dole. Obama's demos--well educated, youth plus blacks--could do for him in NC what they did in Virginia, and tilt the Tar Heel state back to the Democrats in 2008. The May primary will tell more, but polls there consistently show Obama leading Clinton.

I'd have to add:

Maryland
Tennessee
Kansas
North Carolina

MD may flip from lack of turnout if Clinton gets the nomination.

The TN GOP is acting spooked we should take them at their "word."

Obama is going to run with Warner or Sebelius and Sebelius could flip Kansas.

NC's research triangle hasn't been heard from electorally, and Obama will turn it out.

heartlandmoderategal: As Indianna goes so goes the Midwest? H Man, as Indiana goes it isn't even sure that so goes Indiana. And who cares about Kentucky. When Hillary or Barack carries Kentucky it just adds 8 electoral votes to the likely 400+ votes the Dems will already have. The rest of the Midwest has already voted, and Barack did very well Northwest ordinance states wise. McCain won't do at all well in Michigan. I doubt he will end up carrying Indiana. I doubt that he will carry a single state that did not succeed in 1861 that existed in 1865, and he may not have much lick in the Confederacy. But my numbers come from the voting totals reported in the Washington Post so maybe they are trying to hide something from the people.

mahmud010: "Another thing to bear in mind is, Hillary was barely able to carry Texas"

Barely carried Texas? against whom. Hillary more than doubled McCain's total. She out polled the entire Republican party by more votes than McCain got. Her close contest was with Obama and that wasn't particularly close. The Democratic turnout was apparently greater in this years primary than in the 2004 General election. Either all the Democrats in Texas turned out to vote, or there are a lot of new voters for the Dems available in the fall.

Still, all you good Republicans have to look at this election only in small bits and pieces because anyone who tries to look at the totals has to understand one thing.

Voters don't like Republicans all that well.

And the economy has seven months to continue tanking. Republicans can spin all they want, when the economy tanks before an election, the Party in the white House doesn't do well.

Note that JM is just a foot note in most press coverage of politics right now. Hillary and Barack have the Media's attention and will keep it to August and Denver. Every time John gets his face in the papers it won't be flattering and it will be him trying harder and harder to get conservatives to like him. Come Labor Day, John has to begin his run to the center with the testimony of every Fundamentalist Republican Mega Church preacher to show that he has sold what is left of his soul to the Radical Christian Right.

There won't be any morals legislation on Ohio's ballot to help him, either.

As of today, if the general election votes were to divide Republican/Democratic the way the completed primaries split, the Democrats would get 330 electoral votes and the Republicans 82. There are 43 electoral votes uncontested so far that are usually considered blue states.

I'm skeptical of Hillary's ability to win key states. A few of the "outrageous" conservatives like Rush and Coulter argue for Hillary, but I wonder how much of this is meant to ward off Barack Obama and his extreme liberal viewpoints. Will they consolidate around McCain after the Democratic Party finally nominates somebody, whether its Hillary or Obama?

Another thing to bear in mind is, Hillary was barely able to carry Texas even with the aid of Rush Limbaugh; in fact, it's debatable whether she even got the upper hand in Texas, when all was said and done. The average conservative American doesn't take Rush and Coulter seriously when they attempt to build up Hillary.

Hillary has a very polarizing personality. If she gets the Democratic nomination, you can count on a stronger McCain campaign bent on defeating her. The conservative principles of John McCain will become much more accentuated when he's debating a Democrat rather than a Republican. In the end, the reality of a liberal feminist in the white house will sink in and the conservative base will unite around McCain.

One last note. The scandal involving Obama's preacher is a big, big issue. It's the scandal the Clinton campaign was praying for and it could end up costing Obama the Democratic nomination. But even if Obama goes on to the general election, this is something McCain can use against him to score big. Barack Obama was the Democratic Party's greatest hope for a landslide victory in November - this scandal could change that. I think this year's election is going to be a lot closer than most people think.

Sorry joshua, I DO know more about politics than you, guaranteed - period, done, end of story.....

McCain will NEVER be competitive in CA/NY...As soon as he starts preaching the social conservative non-sense, he'll lose both states by 15-20%...You can sell social conservatism crap in middle earth America, but that stuff doesn't fly in CA/NY...Why do you think Republicans TRIED to split CA's electoral votes last summer (thankfully it failed), cuz they know they have no chance in CA....Forget about the fact the governor is Schwartzengger, he governs like a Democrat, works well w/Democrats, & is a social liberal...If he tried to preach social conservatism, Phil Angelides would be the governor now..

Uhhh, as far as Rudy not doing well in FL, I'll let you in on little secret, Hillary Clinton is FAR more popular w/New Yorkers than he EVER was...THUS, she'll get the alot of votes from the snowbirds & the former NY'ers who are permanent residents of FL now...

Disagee 500% about Wright....Falwell's statements after 9/11 (gays, ACLU were to blame for 9/11) were the most vile comments I've ever heard in my life, 1000x worse than what Wright said....And you still don't get it: John McCain gave the commencement address at his university AFTER he called him an "agent of intolerance" in 2000 (flip-flopper) & after Falwell's despicable comments....If Republicans make a big deal out of Wright, there is plenty of material to after McCain on w/his association to Falwell...

You simply are clueless in politics if you think Democrats will have to spend alot of money in CA/NY to win...Lindsay Lohan would carry CA. & Howard Stern could carry NY against someone as far right as John McCain....So I'll just assume your first paragraph was an early April fools joke..

I thought I was done commnting, but I just read a comment by someone who knows so little about politics I had to answer.

AIRNZ.....First....I agree McCain will probably not win California or New York. But he will be very competitive in both states, causing either Democrat to spend money in what should be solid blue states.
You might want to ask Mayor Guiliani the Republican nominee....oh wait, he ISN'T the Republican nominee, I guess that big New York vote in Florida he was so sure of didn't pan out. McCain is solid in Florida, against either of the Democrats.
And your very, very wrong about Rev. Wright....nothing Falwell ever said comes close to the bile that Rev. Wright has been spewing for the last 5 years at least. Obama may have a really big time problem because of this guy. McCain wasn't attached at the hip to Falwell, but Obama is on record many times over the last 3 years as to how close he is to Rev. Wright, and for Obama to stand up as he did today and deny that he ever heard Wright give or that he even knew that Wright gave seermons like what is being shown on the news, just isn't credible. To many big shots in the media are already questioning his veracity. The biggest thing Obama had going for him was his so called **politics of hope** and a repudiation of the **politics of the past**....if he's disembling(and it looks a lot like he is) then he has just shot his main campaign theme in the butt.

Vammap....you might want to ask President Kerry how well John Edwards helped him carry the South in 2004. If memory serves me right, they lost every southern state, including North Carolina(Edwards home state)

Someone above mentioned South Carolina possibly being good for Obama, while the state has a large black population and a very large percentage of the Democrat vote is black, this won't help Obama or any Democrat because the Republican vote is much, much larger than the Democrat and even if Obama took 100% of the Independents(which won't happen against McCain) he still couldn't overcome the Republican vote. The fact that South Carolina is so solidly Republican is the biggest reason why Sanford most likely won't be McCain's V.P..
Same in Florida, Clinton keeps citing some poll or another showing her beating McCain there, but it's just not going to happen. This state will be a solid McCain state no matter which of the Democrats win the nomination. That fact is one of the top reasons Gov. Christ won't be McCains V.P. either, along with his being single(no party has nominated a single man for V.P. or President since Clevelend in the 1880's) and those little rumors that keep popping up about him being Bisexual or Gay.

Colorado is a definate flip state I think. And thanks to Gov. Richardson and no really strong Republican Senate candidate New Mexico will probably go back to blue. Wisconson will go Democrat if Obama is the guy, otherwise it could go McCain. Minnisota stays blue. Michigan I think is a McCain catch and possibly Pa.. Ohio may be a lost cause, but since Obama lost to Clinton there, with the very heavy black vote in Franklin county and Cuyuhoga county, McCain could hold it red, if Obama is the nominee. In primary day interviews, voters in Ohio weren't bashful about flat out saying that they weren't ready for a black President, I didn't see that in any other state. Plus, part of my family is from Ohio, and when I go there to visit, the people are very nice, but a lot of them aren't in favor of blacks.

Hey man, your "Top Ten" is bogus. Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are far more likely to flip than Minnesota or Virginia.

My lists assuming an Obama-McCain contest...

Obama most likely pick-ups:
1. Iowa
2. Ohio
3. Missouri

McCain most likely pick-ups:
1. New Hampshire
2. Pennsylvania
3. Wisconsin

I really think Obama will have a tough time picking up western states, such as New Mexico, Colorado, and Nevada (given McCain's immigration position, the fact that his social views are more in line with the majority of Hispanics, and the brown-black divide). An open question is whether McCain will be able to hold Ohio and/or pick-up Pennsylvania given his position on NAFTA, which is at odds with many Reagan Democrats in the region.

Obama will have to fight hard to hold Minnesota, Wisconsin, and New Jersey too.

If Obama is the nominee, Democrats can kiss the mid-west goodbye. For a foreshadowing of this, keep an eye on the upcoming Indiana primary. My guess is Obama gets creamed in IN, and maybe in the slightly later KY primary, too.

Let's get something straight right now, there is ZERO!! chance that McCain will carry California or New York...McCain is WAY too socially conservative for either of those 2 states, & he will lose both states to either Clinton or Obama by at least 10%....You would have a better chance of finding a 3-bedroom/3-bath 4,500 sq. ft. house in Beverly Hills for $650,000 than McCain winning CA or NY.....(that size house in BH typically is $3,500,000+).....

Obama has good chance to win CO, NM, IO, NV, & VA....I doubt he wins Florida, but he could win Ohio....He should keep all the Kerry states...

Clinton i think is better in line to win OH & FL....ALOT of former New Yorkers now call Florida home & will certainly vote for her..In addition, all the snowbirds who have homes in both NY & FL, those people will fly down to FL Nov. 1 to vote for HRC there, as there votes aren't needed in NY, she'd win NY w/65% of the vote....

As far as the Obama/Wright controversy, most conservatives have short term memory....John McCain gave a commencement address at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University, & Falwell's statements after 9/11 were so replusive, that making the association of McCain/Falwell will be far worse than Obama/Wright....

The big battleground state is Ohio for the presidency. In a close election, Ohio always matters immensley. In a McCain vs. Obama race, Obama may be able to put into play Ohio, Iowa & Colorodo. However, the negative campaigning hasn't really started yet. When people really find out about Barack Obama's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright, voters in Iowa, Colorodo nor Ohio will take another view. Wright believes the Bible is written from an "afro-centric" point of view. Wright also says black American's shouldn't sing "God bless America" but "God damn America". A pastor spewing this type of venom from the pulpit of a church that Obama attends and is a member of, and Obama claims to be a uniter? Wright also claims the US is to blame for 9/11, not foreign terrorists. Obama looks at this man as a spiritual advisor. Don't think this won't be part of the campaign, b/c it is an issue. How a candidate believes is a real issue, so does Obama believe these things? He sits in a church under a man who claims these things. We will see, closer to the general, how Obama really does. Besides that, he talks about sitting down with enemy leaders of the USA...but draws the line on sitting down and talking to reporters from Fox news. He's a fake and will be exposed as a fake. McCain, on the other hand, has scars from the left & right for centric positions he's taken on immigration, campaign finance reform & the "Gang of 14" judicial nominee group. He's the centrist, Obama is a shady liberal attempting to hide who he really is until after he is elected. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

The big battleground state is Ohio for the presidency. In a close election, Ohio always matters immensley. In a McCain vs. Obama race, Obama may be able to put into play Ohio, Iowa & Colorodo. However, the negative campaigning hasn't really started yet. When people really find out about Barack Obama's Pastor, Jeremiah Wright, voters in Iowa, Colorodo nor Ohio will take another view. Wright believes the Bible is written from an "afro-centric" point of view. Wright also says black American's shouldn't sing "God bless America" but "God damn America". A pastor spewing this type of venom from the pulpit of a church that Obama attends and is a member of, and Obama claims to be a uniter? Wright also claims the US is to blame for 9/11, not foreign terrorists. Obama looks at this man as a spiritual advisor. Don't think this won't be part of the campaign, b/c it is an issue. How a candidate believes is a real issue, so does Obama believe these things? He sits in a church under a man who claims these things. We will see, closer to the general, how Obama really does. Besides that, he talks about sitting down with enemy leaders of the USA...but draws the line on sitting down and talking to reporters from Fox news. He's a fake and will be exposed as a fake. McCain, on the other hand, has scars from the left & right for centric positions he's taken on immigration, campaign finance reform & the "Gang of 14" judicial nominee group. He's the centrist, Obama is a shady liberal attempting to hide who he really is until after he is elected.

Repeat after me:

NO REPUBLICAN WILL TAKE CALIFORNIA.

(NOT FOR PRES. ANYWAY - & ARNOLD DOESN'T COUNT)

JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

I LIVE HERE.

I KNOW.
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You live there so you know how millions of people feel, wow, why aren't you running for president?

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Repeat after me:

NO REPUBLICAN WILL TAKE CALIFORNIA.

(NOT FOR PRES. ANYWAY - & ARNOLD DOESN'T COUNT)

JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

I LIVE HERE.

I KNOW.

PLUS EVERYONE IS DISCOUNTING
THE ECONOMY'S EFFECT ON THE GOP.

IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH FALL
FOR REPUBLICANS ACROSS THE BOARD.

UNLESS HRC IS NOMINATED.
SHE'S THE WILD CARD.

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"The Purpose of War is Peace"

Mitch mcconnell

Unintended? you be the judge. Fascists? you be the judge.

do not fear the fascists. Somebody's got to fight for america, while these people are destroying it.

Obama doesn't have to worry about Missouri. I live here, and I've got his back.

SORRY FOR ALL the posts earlier. Also, if I insulted anyone other than the clones here.

They think this is a fun game. Dividing america. turning neighbor against neighbor and grand fathers angainst grandsons.

this is not a game. Beware of anyone who says it is. We are a self-government. In a self-government we need all the real news we can get. With as little propoganda as possible. how can we make decisions when these fascist propogandists own all mediums? Radio, newspapers, cable news, websites. They ban who they choose and set the table and battle feild for us to rip each other apart. All for money. It's sick.

It used to be called treason , what these people do, at one time. to choose party or money over the will of the country (benidict arnold). Now it's "I know you are but what am I". Up is down. war is peace.

Reality exits. Even if insane people who do not acknowldege reality group together and say the sky is red. Reality persists. Propoganda does not create reality. Propoganda does not change the past (but can the future).

think about the future. Look at the big picture.

sorry for all the posts. These sabotuers for profit and fun are lost. do not hate them. Hold the mirror up. Help them re-join reality. They are scared. Change scares them. Understand that. But also remember what america is and was. our ancestors were not cowards, like they.

Obama had a speech once. his yes we can speach. He mentioned the fact that when this great nation was founded, no one would have bet on us. No one was thinking we can do it. How far we came from that point. How? Fear? Changing teh constitution out of fear? When, if THEY are the patriot's?

How many of these tough guys will be signing up to fight in president obama's army? Who are the patrioits now.

PAt TIllman (san jose, ca). Remember his life and his sacrafice. He is a true patriot. Fighting in a battle for his nation he did not approve of. Sacraficed all for his country. The gop (clinton included)? What do they ever sacrafice? they rape and pilalge. they divide and conquer. they reap huge rewards off this great nation. What do they ever sacrafice? Who do you hurt people who only care about money and power? You take it from them. Think about the future and presednece. Help the lost sheep. don;t hate them. They are lost. Their ignorance can only go to a point, before it's willful. At some point people must be cut loose if they don't love america and it's freedoms. Sent the gop to greenland i say. :) Just kidding (before someone snaps.)

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?,

If Obama is the nominee of the Democratic Party, MI, WI, MN, PA, and OH are all in contention. He will do well in CO, IA, and VA - but McCain will put OR, NM, and CA, and NY (Jewish voters concerns and upstate can tilt this state with Long Island voters as in many Gov. races) into play and force them to defend turf. MO will be a bellwether, and probably leans Dem this year. My guess is that McCain easily defeats Obama and would carry FL, PA, OH, and MI. The bloom is coming off the rose of Obama and if anything happens in Pakistan during the summer, he is toast.

If Clinton is the nominee, the states that Kerry was contesting and the blue-red divide continue. Clinton would have the edge in that NY, PA, MI, OH, and FL would be receptive to her economic appeal, and she has never completely given in to the left wing nuts on military concerns. It would be close, but I would give the edge to Clinton over McCain.

bondjedi, do you have a link? I actually have a life, so I really don't hit all the WaPo blogs every day. I'd like to see it.

"No. My grandfather was the only one who escaped."

You said everyone was killed, but now your grandfather escaped. Get your story straight. You're a fraud and a liar who has crossed the line by supporting your BS with make-believe Holocaust victims.

Take your BS back to the Columbus dailies. All: svreader was outed here yesterday as writing the same sort of drivel, only in support of Obama and against HRC, contrary to what it spews here.